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I'm assuming this is a fairly unpopular thought...spoilers through Subject 9.  Rambly too, brain is still somewhat on the fritz and I need to do other things, but needed to get this off my chest because it's all I can think about this morning.


The more I think about it, the more I would be ok with no one remembering Peter.  

I think it would be a novel and daring thing for the show to do...or maybe I should say it would be another novel and daring thing for the show to do.

I don't want them to hit the reset button.  I  complain about shows maintaining the status quo at all costs; I shouldn't complain when one doesn't.  I can be sad for what was lost, while still enjoying what was found.

I would be upset if reality isn't "restored" to what it was for the first 3 seasons because in a way it is as though those characters are dead.  
Although if Peter was never meant to survive, AmberVerse is the restoration, is it not?  Like we tend to sympathize with Walter over Walternate, we want the BlueVerse because it's what we're shown, what we're used to, what we've connected with - but that doesn't make it objectively better, does it?

I'm torn and will probably be happy whatever route they take...but I would disagree with anyone who says the first 3 seasons "never happened" or "didn't mean anything" (statements I've seen on both TWoP and Tumblr) if everyone doesn't remember Peter.  First of all, the people of the AmberVerse don't have a Peter to remember, because he never existed.  It's not like they all developed amnesia - he never was, not here.  Not past early childhood.  

Second of all, it may not have happened for this Olivia and Walter and Astrid and Broyles...but it happened for Peter and it happened for us.  We experienced it, we remember it, it was real and it meant something.  I find it completely different from a Dallas-style "dream", and while heart-breaking, doesn't feel insulting to the fans or the characters.

I want to see this Olivia (and especially this Walter) come to terms with Peter and what he tells them while not "remembering".  I want to see those relationships grow and develop, and see how they're the same and how they differ from the Blue/RedVerse.  I want to give this Olivia and Walter the chance to become "our" Olivia and Walter, to feel for them as much as I did the others...I want to give the show a chance to do something different, to tell the story they want to tell without worrying they'll lose fans if they don't get things back the way they were as soon as possible.

That said, if they do get things back the way they were as soon as possible, I'll still love it.  I'll just wonder what might have been, in the same way I wonder what might have been if Farscape had made different choices here and there.

Date: 2011-10-19 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlie-bz.livejournal.com
Hello! Work has been dreadfully busy and now I'm shockingly behind on timely answering intriguing posts. How's that for a sentence? :)

Anyway, Fringe...

Good point that if blue fringe isn't restored, those characters are essentially dead. But...

I hope the characters do not have exact memories of the blue fringe verse. I like that only Peter will have those memories because it's fitting that he would have a special memory. Except for Walter, doesn't it seem the characters are "better off" without Peter? Or, I should say without Peter in their actual lives but they still have Peter in their soul. Yeah, whatever that means! I don't think Amber olivia will ever be as tormented as blue Olivia. That step-father really did a number on Olivia and I must say, I like that Olivia doesn't have him around to haunt her. It seems to me that she killed him and now hardly spares him a passing thought.

Wonder where her sister and niece are?

I know people are using the 'reboot' or 'reset' term to describe this but it's not. I look forward to the relationships being built again. This show, in many respects, is about love. All the different forms of it and I love that about it. Even Broyles says something about people who leave indelible prints on one's soul and I was suprised he said that.

So much about souls in this show...soul magnets, etc.

I don't want Fringe to go back to the blue verse. I think Olivia will love Peter but she won't remember exactly how or why. That could be an interesting question. Also intriguing is that amber Olivia is definitely not the same as blue Olivia. Peter loved blue Olivia - will he love amber Olivia as well? I mean they are the same person but then again they're not.

I actually hope Amber Olivia and Alt-olivia become friendly.

Even though I didn't care for baby Henry (not sure why the kid did nothing to me!), I'm sad that Alt-Olivia no longer has the baby she loved so much. Will she have that indelible print on her soul?

Argh! So many good questions! Damn baseball for making me wait another week!!!

I read somewhere that Peter really is the heart of Fringe. I've missed him!

Sorry this was so rambly. I have lots of Fringe thoughts!

Date: 2011-10-24 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
I missed this message! I really enjoyed reading your thoughts and am glad I'm not alone in being ok with things not being restored. This might be their last season and I'd really love to get to know these versions of the characters, and for the show to stick with what they've done. Peter remembers, and that is enough for me.

I'd also love to see the Olivias as friends, and wonder about the baby (I know he did nothing for me because babies in fiction never do lol)...it would be interesting to see if she feels anything is missing.

Speaking of "missing", I hope we see Walternate again in the next episode.

Edited only to change my icon to a Fringe one, I am a dork.
Edited Date: 2011-10-24 12:46 pm (UTC)

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