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...and I realized I'm hoping Chiana dies.  Which would be sad, but not nearly as sad as her free will and dignity being stripped away, her having literally no choice in who she has sex with (isn't that called rape?), her being suddenly, slavishly devoted to Nebari ideals, and no one giving a shit or thinking this might be odd, or of some concern.  

Alive she will continue to be used and abused and alternately ignored and maligned.  Dead she will be a free spirit, with Zhaan, D'Argo, Jool, and Sikozu for company.

Huh.  Maybe her death at this point wouldn't be sad at all.

Date: 2011-10-19 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vinegar-dog.livejournal.com
Oh no, that sounds dreadful, I am still well behind with the comics but I don't like the sound of this at all...now I am dreading what's coming! :(

Date: 2011-10-19 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
"Dreadful" is a very good way of describing it...I went into the comics with such hope, but it's been a crushing disappointment from the outset (Chiana chasing Jothee through the halls, naked, with handcuffs, played for laughs). I kept hoping, but each new development was worse than the last...I'm happy for the people who have enjoyed them, and hope you're among them...but I just don't get it. Any of it. Chiana's portrayal and storyline is fairly low on my list of problems, although it's the one that hurts the most.

Date: 2011-10-19 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vinegar-dog.livejournal.com
I am only at the point when they go to Pilot's planet to save it from invasion...I did not like this last instalment at all and I must agree with you the entire Chiana/Jothee thing was not to my taste at all in the first of the comics collection...

I also did not get the whole Roiin/Chiana (probably mispelled Roiin) story at least so far....I must agree that overall the comics up to this point have been disappointing, they just don't have the same "voices" of the characters of the series and by the sounds of things I have not even got to the really bad parts yet!

Also, what is all this religious turn Aeryn is undergoing about? I know her character is supposed to change and grow, but does it have to grow in this weird direction? Again, I am only at an early point in the comics story arc but I am kind of discouraged now reading about what's coming...I must agree with Nym maybe the best thing would have been to just leave it at the end of the series and miniseries..

Even if with a heavy heart I will probably end up reading all of the comic series just because it is supposed to be FS and my love for it is enourmous but I KNOW major disappointment is looming :(

Date: 2011-10-19 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnedscientist.livejournal.com
Hey, Laura,

I don't want to put you off: If you stop reading that should be your choice based on what you've read in the comics, not from me or others.

I found the comics patchy in the "teens". There were some issues (part issues? I'm not going back to check right now) which I thought were well-done and where I thought it was really going to take off next issue. But then it didnt. Quite a lot of the issues since late teens seem to have been just filling in the paper until the end, not moving the story along at all. And I'm guessing they knew it was cancelled by then.


It's probably most enjoyable/least unenjoyable if you dont invest too much in it emotionally and just see it as graphical fanfic that you have to pay for.

Date: 2011-10-19 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vinegar-dog.livejournal.com
Hi Richard,

I am such a sucker for anything FS that I will probably stick with it and finish reading all of the comics, that's just the way I am...apart from the fact that I hate leaving things half way finished as it were...

the main problem I foresee is the emotional detachment! I know it sounds crazy but one of the reasons I absolutely frelling loved the show WAS because of the emotions it elicited whether they'd be happy, sad (more often than not) or comical, so seeing these very same characters diminished somehow or given a shoddy treatment (Chiana for one by the sounds of things!) makes me shiver.

You know, I realise that obviously the comics medium cannot even come close to a TV series or movie but to see my (disclaimer: characters belong to the Jim Henson Company and they are not mine or yours or anybody else's ;)) characters fizzle into something that should not ever be is disheartening....on a side note, I think FS is the only show I have ever watched in which ALL of the main characters captured my heart in one way or another - that had never happened before and it hasnt happened since and for that I will be forever grateful to the creators of it(end of side note!)

I will soldier on and probably agonise a little and if it gets really bad I may have to go and get hypnotised into believing the comics never happened! :)

I will keep you posted on how I my reading goes...you brought this upon yourself, my dear ADS!

Date: 2011-10-19 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
I may have to go and get hypnotised into believing the comics never happened

Come to the dark side...we have cookies...

It's hard though. I managed to talk myself out of believing the Jean Grey/Phoenix retcon which comprises like twenty or thirty years worth of stories, but somehow, this still bothers me. I think because I care so damn much.

Date: 2011-10-19 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
I did not like this last instalment at all and I must agree with you the entire Chiana/Jothee thing was not to my taste at all in the first of the comics collection...

I also did not get the whole Roiin/Chiana (probably mispelled Roiin) story at least so far....I must agree that overall the comics up to this point have been disappointing, they just don't have the same "voices" of the characters of the series


Agreed about the "voices"; part of that is the medium, but part of it is not.

What bothers me the most I think, about Chiana/Jothee and Chiana/Roiin (I can never remember how to spell it either) is that I can see a bit of promise in both of those developments, something that if well written, directed, acted, I could believe. But from my perspective the execution in the comics is entirely wrong characterization wise, and in Farscape, character is everything. I will sit through the dumbest most boring plot for these characters, as long as they are still themselves. That's why I believe there's no such thing as a truly bad episode of Farscape, because there are no bad characters. In the comics I don't feel them, I don't see them, I don't believe them.

A Chiana/Jothee reunion should have been anguished and guilt-stricken and dark, not a jokey, exhibitionist romp - but that was a quick way to establish Chiana as the "sexy" one. Chiana/Roiin could have been so good, if his motivations had been compelling and his character nuanced, if she were making the decision to be with him after feeling as though she lost everything. Instead...they basically made her a blow-up doll. For a character whose freedom and control over her sexuality is everything, that feels like a slap in the face. But again, it could have worked, had she fought against it (the Chiana I watched for 4 years would kill herself before going down the road the comics have taken her).

Aeryn & the religion storyline is something I'm fuzzy on; I stopped paying close attention there for awhile and have been mainly reading them in the store and keeping up with reviews and summaries over at Gigi Enthusiasts. I know some people felt it was right and some didn't. I am more conflicted about another, later turn in Aeryn's story (and John's role in it) but I don't wish to spoil you. And Richard is right - you should make up your own mind, and not let anyone else dissuade you. Heaven knows I have a lot of unpopular and uncommon opinions!
Edited Date: 2011-10-19 07:16 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-10-19 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vinegar-dog.livejournal.com
"Aeryn & the religion storyline is something I'm fuzzy on...I know some people felt it was right and some didn't. I am more conflicted about another, later turn in Aeryn's story (and John's role in it) but I don't wish to spoil you."

I am a little intrigued by that. I am not a particularly religious person and personally I would never "take that turn" as it were, at the same time I am not aversed to spirituality at all, so far I just don't see it with Aeryn...maybe things will improve on that front as I read on. Fingers and toes crossed.

With regards to Chi, I just have to agree with everything you said, the Jothee romping was tastelessly portrayed while so much more could have been made of that relationship...about Roiin I am not sure what is going to happen but I just don't see any appeal in him whatsoever at least until now...

So far that is my problem too I just dont "feel" the characters the way I did invariably in the series - they are not my beloved characters...as Richard said detachment would be the solution but when it comes to FS and all of its flawed but feisty and deeply "human" characters I just seem to fail miserably at it.

I will finish reading the comics but I am afraid it may be because I am a bit of a masochist as well as a hopeless FS fan!

As far as your unpopular and uncommon opinions comment, I don't know about that but I do love people who know their minds and are not afraid to speak them when backed up by a good degree of knowledge and love for the subject they broach and you are definitely one of those people, that's why I love following your posts!

Date: 2011-10-20 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
As far as your unpopular and uncommon opinions comment, I don't know about that but I do love people who know their minds and are not afraid to speak them when backed up by a good degree of knowledge and love for the subject they broach and you are definitely one of those people, that's why I love following your posts!

That's an incredibly kind thing to say, thank you =D

We can be hopeless and masochistic together ;)

I think the religion thing didn't bother me so much for two reasons 1) I was trying not to pay attention/think about the comics when it was happening, and 2) While I'm not religious now, I was for most of my life, and while I would run screaming if I ever felt myself being drawn back in...I can also see the allure and have known too many people for whom it's a huge comfort and blessing in their life. I don't see Aeryn as that type of personality...but as I said, I was trying not to think about it LOL

I'm really bothered by the later storyline because it's one of those typical "look at our strong woman" turns comics like to do, but there's always the man there, making sure she doesn't come off as too strong.
Edited Date: 2011-10-20 01:14 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-10-19 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnedscientist.livejournal.com
I understand where you're coming from. Although I may not feel it as intensely as you, I loved Chi, Jool, Sikozu and (some of) the others and I hate to see them-short-changed. Although I dont want to bad-mouth the writers, the whole thing just doesnt feel like FS anymore.

But then, when I watch eps these days, they often dont seem like FS either, although to nothing like the same extent as the comics. I think in some ways FS has become some fan-thing with a life outside of canon to me now.

Hey ho. I feel like the whole thing seems to have run out of steam, with a small group of fans talking to themselves in a rapidly dwindling group.

I tried to write something more detailed and longer in reply, but none of it quite worked.

Date: 2011-10-19 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nymeria-55.livejournal.com
I feel like the whole thing seems to have run out of steam, with a small group of fans talking to themselves in a rapidly dwindling group

It might be true, but - stalwart optimist that I am - I think that even though the group might be getting smaller, those who love(d) this show will never forget it. Take Firefly as an example: only 14 episodes, and yet the core of its fans still endures.

If there is something I feel like mourning, are the lost opportunities to bring it to life again with the attention to *quality* that it deserves.

*sigh*

Date: 2011-10-19 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
Thanks for weighing in - I was surprised to read this, as I thought you were enjoying them a bit more. I'm sorry that you haven't been. I may have hated what they were doing with the characters, and argued against it, but if other people were enjoying it...hey, that's more Farscape for them, and that's a good thing.

But then, when I watch eps these days, they often dont seem like FS either, although to nothing like the same extent as the comics.

For me, Farscape has always been more than the sum of its parts, and as I mentioned to Laura above, it's all about the characters. The show itself isn't perfect but I feel the characters are, in their strengths and weaknesses and complexities, and in the incredible, flawless performances of the cast.

When I watch FS, I can often find bits silly, tedious, or annoying, I'm often saying, "Argh, no, why" with regard to the plots. I want more of this, less of that, etc. But I never, ever doubt the characters. I'd watch any and all of them in any situation, no matter how dull or ludicrous. I believe in them...the same way The X-Files is about Mulder & Scully and their relationship, Farscape is about John, Aeryn, D'Argo, Chiana, Rygel, and all the rest, and their relationships. It doesn't matter what they're doing it, as long as they're them and preferably doing it with each other (that sounded so dirty, sorry LOL)

I read a lot of comics, not as many as I used to, but still a fair number. I'm drawn to the character driven ones, the quiet ones, the quirky ones. I don't like "event" comics. I would rather watch John & Aeryn color with Deke than save the universe.

Date: 2011-10-19 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnedscientist.livejournal.com
I am enjoying them (in parts - the Chiana storyline sucks)... but they could have been more. I like some bits a lot, but those bits are not frequent enough for my tastes. I'll read them. I might even reread them. But I'm not going to squee over them. Shrugs.

I would rather watch John & Aeryn color with Deke than save the universe.And yes, I totally agree. Need a nodding smiley.

Date: 2011-10-19 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firebirdgrrl.livejournal.com
Oh, that's *horrid*. I'm so sorry. I never wanted to pick up the comics because...well...I read the Buffy ones and I was worried. (Also once I heard Sikozu was gone....)

What an awful thing to do.

Date: 2011-10-19 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
Thank you...yeah, what they did to Sikozu was awful. She's pretty much my 2nd favorite (tied with Stark) and I appreciate that they gave her a hero's death, but it was surrounded by such utter stupidity it's hard not to be bitter.

Farscape would have worked beautifully in the Vertigo vein; I still believe that despite my disillusionment. Unfortunately they seemed to be aiming for a stereotypical DC/Marvel superhero vibe, and in my humble opinion, Farscape does not fit that mold.

I'd heard the Buffy ones were really good... reevaluating that now LOL

Date: 2011-10-19 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firebirdgrrl.livejournal.com
The Buffy ones are worth reading-they have some truly spectacular issues ("The Chain", "Anywhere But Here" the whole "Time of Your Life" story arc.) The end arc has some fizzleness to it and I did not care for how they resolved some things but it was worth reading and those issues really feel like Buffy and are phenomenal.

Everyone's opinions are different, but those are my thoughts. Plus Jo Chen's covers *are* Buffy-I can be glad the series was there for that gorgeous art.

ETA: What I mean is that a lot of them did not wholly live up to their potential, but there were times when they really went past it--so a mixed bag with some really good stuff in there--kind of like getting a Halloween bag with lots of medium chocolate and finding a box of artisan truffles. So yes, mixed bag:)
Edited Date: 2011-10-19 06:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-10-19 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
Oh yes, Jo Chen does gorgeous work! I haven't seen all of her Buffy covers but her Runaways killed me.

I've been thinking about getting back into the Buffy-verse lately, and will see if any friends have those issues you mention, thanks :)

I know that a comic will never be able to convey the same depth of emotion as a show with a talented cast, but it would be nice to see them come close. I'm good with a mixed bag :)

Date: 2011-10-19 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nymeria-55.livejournal.com
Since a comic spoiler is not the same as an episode spoiler (the reason I haven't read your Fringe post yet...) I went and checked your post.

From what you write it would seem that comic characterization has spared no one, and that Chi is only the last in a long list of victims. I had such high hopes for the comics, since they seemed to have taken the place of the now-mythical webisodes, but those hopes are beyond wilted.

Farscape is a show that gave me much, both directly and indirectly, and at this point I prefer that it remains as it is, with its 88 episodes and final mini-series. No further additions, no "extreme measures", thank you very much.

*sigh*

Date: 2011-10-19 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
Have you seen any of Fringe S4 yet? I can hook you up if you want/need/aren't opposed to downloaded tv (I don't download anything I'd have to pay for if I were still living in the US, but currently airing broadcast tv? No qualms).

From what you write it would seem that comic characterization has spared no one, and that Chi is only the last in a long list of victims. I had such high hopes for the comics, since they seemed to have taken the place of the now-mythical webisodes, but those hopes are beyond wilted.

I admittedly have a very strong bias towards Chiana, and what bothers me deeply may not bother others at all or very much, but I this is what I see when I read them. They've had opportunities to fix it (honestly, I was DESPERATE to like them) and squandered them. For instance, at one point Chiana essentially says "Of course I'm just whoring around with the guy that wants to kidnap Deke and will help him because I have no choice, you know who I am, what did you expect?" And John could have - should have - said "Yes, I know who you are, and this isn't it. You've been sick, you've been acting strange, I know how alone you must be with D'Argo dead, tell me what's wrong and let me help." But no. We get a pissy, glaring "whatever".

If D'Argo's physiology was making him hyper-rage constantly, and he was hurting himself and others...wouldn't everyone come together and try and help him? Wouldn't they care? Wouldn't HE care, and fight against it?

There are other obsessive Chi fans who would disagree with me (and I respect their opinions) but I think this Roiin/Nebari biology story could have been heart-breaking (in a good way LOL) and well done, if it hadn't come out of nowhere, if Roiin had had an ounce of complexity and compassion, if Chiana had fought this change in her tooth and nail, if the others had noticed and been fearful for her, hell, even for themselves! What happened to the Nebari threat? The Nebari living with you, whom you consider a sister, has been taken over by her biology, is consorting with an assassin that wants your son, is visibly sick (I'm talking the rash here, not her suddenly red blood) and you can't be bothered? It makes me so sad.

And Chiana's story isn't the storyline that bothers me the most actually, from a plot perspective. It's just the most hurtful.

Farscape is a show that gave me much, both directly and indirectly, and at this point I prefer that it remains as it is, with its 88 episodes and final mini-series. No further additions, no "extreme measures", thank you very much.

Amen.

On the plus side, the comics have made me think much more favorably of PKW (which I WILL rewatch! Cross my heart, hope to die LOL)

Date: 2011-10-19 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nymeria-55.livejournal.com
Have you seen any of Fringe S4 yet? I can hook you up if you want

Oh, thank you very much *flower* , but I'm ok. I have the episodes but I just haven't started watching them yet. I need a free weekend where I can morph into an amoeba in front of the tv and catch up :-)


As for Chiana's characterization - or lack thereof - it's only one of the sore points of the comics: all characters are totally *wrong* (maybe, just maybe Rygel is the only one close to his "true" self). I understand that the comics medium does not allow for depth and psychological introspection, but in this case they have taken each character's most superficial details and exaggerated them into a caricature of the people we loved to watch on screen. So we we were presented a slang-spouting Crichton, a gun-wielding Aeryn, a whoring Chiana, and so on and on and on... Even Scorpius - the UT's mastermind, the person who could out-think and out-smart practically everyone - at some point becomes a victims of his own schemes and is turned into a minion of the invading bad aliens. Please!!

If the comics story-arc must be considered a continuation of the Farscape time-line, I don't like what that particular universe has been turned into. I bought the comics partly because I wanted to show support to a continuation of Farscape in some form, but they turned out to be something else for me as a fanfic writer: they represent the kind of stories, the kind of characters, I *don't* want to write.
Hey, that's something positive after all, isn't it? *VEG*



On the plus side, the comics have made me think much more favorably of PKW

Blessed be the Divine Eternal, then! :-D :-D



Date: 2011-10-19 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
I need a free weekend where I can morph into an amoeba in front of the tv and catch up :-)

Fingers crossed it's soon! I'm very pleased with the season so far although it's a different, less intense experience, watching it week to week instead of mainlining it.

all characters are totally *wrong* (maybe, just maybe Rygel is the only one close to his "true" self). I understand that the comics medium does not allow for depth and psychological introspection, but in this case they have taken each character's most superficial details and exaggerated them into a caricature of the people we loved to watch on screen.

That's a very succinct way to put it (you have such a way with words!) and exactly my problem with it. Everything else is just details.

If the comics story-arc must be considered a continuation of the Farscape time-line, I don't like what that particular universe has been turned into. I bought the comics partly because I wanted to show support to a continuation of Farscape in some form, but they turned out to be something else for me as a fanfic writer: they represent the kind of stories, the kind of characters, I *don't* want to write.
Hey, that's something positive after all, isn't it? *VEG*


That it is =D And hopefully we will be enjoying your stories, and their universe, for many years to come.

I had more typed out here, but it wasn't making any sense - I think it's time for me to log off tonight :)

Date: 2011-10-20 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nymeria-55.livejournal.com
FRINGE
it's a different, less intense experience, watching it week to week instead of mainlining it.


Indeed. It's one of the reasons, besides lack of time and other shows that I follow, for my... hoarding-but-not-watching until now :-)


And thank you, very much, for your kind and generous words on my stories.
I thrive on feedback such as this... :-)
*flower* * hug*

Date: 2011-10-19 06:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olegscape.livejournal.com
Yup, I know how you feel. It’s sad when authors do something so unprofessional and selfish, rewriting characters according to their whim in order to make their plots work, and not writing their plots based on how the established characters would’ve acted. Even more sad when they purposefully degrade the characters. In comparison to that the death of a character doesn’t seem so bad. I’ve been hoping they’d kill her and spare her this indignity for quite a while now. And then I discovered it’s easier not to care. One good thing about it is that it’s finally over with. Nice work with keeping up fans love for the show, Mr. O’Bannon.

Date: 2011-10-19 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
And then I discovered it’s easier not to care.

*sigh* But that's so much easier said than done, isn't it? *hugs*

It's a shame when they can't write a circle shaped story for a circle shaped character, but instead try to cram that circle into a square. It happens all the time on tv and in comics; I'm just sad to see it in Farscape.

Date: 2011-10-20 06:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olegscape.livejournal.com
Unfortunately yes, it is easier said than done. If that was someone’s badly written fanfic (which it looks like anyway) then it wouldn’t have mattered, and maybe could’ve even been amusing. But there’s this lemming-like insistence from writers and part of fandom that this is *canon*, and the fact that officially it would be considered that, despite objective reasons against it. It is sad to see the writer of a supposedly smart show taking the role of the head lemming.

Date: 2011-10-19 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vinegar-dog.livejournal.com
By the way, I would love to know what Claudia and particularly Ben Browder, who seems to have invested so much of himself in FS as well as the other actors think about the comics plot and developement..are they even keeping up with it and would they want to be involved in any webisodes if these were ever actually financed?

I know it's ridiculous but my Scaper heart has broken a little today...sorry for venting, Arevhat!

And even though I know what ADS mean about dwindling number of fans, I have also heard of so many people who are watching the show for the first time only now or recently and absolutely love it..so many missed opportunities to leave a great show alone or maybe one day revive it properly as it justly deserves!

That's it I promise I will stop moaning now...maybe I will rewatch Crackers Don't Matter to cheer myself up a little..

Date: 2011-10-19 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obsessivemuch1.livejournal.com
Since the J/A fans would swallow anything they're given getting what they want, there aren't as many complaints. So I can't see Ben or Claudia being that affected really.

As to Chi... yeah, I saw this coming. The comics have been mostly crap, with the odd shining example. It says a lot that I, who would have bitten O'Bannon's arm off at the start for the chance to write Crais, ended up not wanting to touch it with someone else's bargepole.

I was glad to read the tweet announcing the end, and that just should never have happened. Sad times.

Date: 2011-10-19 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
It says a lot that I, who would have bitten O'Bannon's arm off at the start for the chance to write Crais, ended up not wanting to touch it with someone else's bargepole.

It shouldn't, but this made me LOL

Date: 2011-10-19 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obsessivemuch1.livejournal.com
If you don't laugh, you'll cry :S

But... yeah. I bugged and bugged Keith about it in the early days, and was all over the D'Argo series like white on rice. I think really that I'm glad it never happened, but it would kill me to have to write a post like your original one.

Date: 2011-10-20 01:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
it would kill me to have to write a post like your original one.

I'm sure if they actually do kill her I will cry FOREVER but for now I'm trying to find a silver lining :/

Date: 2011-10-20 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] obsessivemuch1.livejournal.com
Bonus with Crais is that they could only kill him once...

Yeah, it'd be horrid if they killed her off, but I think that lining is definitely silver. Hopefully it'll be meaningful.

Date: 2011-10-19 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
I don't know about Ben and Claudia and the comics, but I believe I've heard they're both interested in doing the webisodes, should they happen :) I think all the cast loves the show so much that if they were able to play those characters again, they would.

I actually think the fandom is growing. There are more people here now than there were when I got into it (2006 I think) and like you I frequently see people saying they've just watched it for the first time. I think Netflix streaming, and the availability of the DVDs, has really helped.

Honestly, not that many people read comics and they are horrendously overpriced - all of them, the ones I love as well as the ones I hate LOL.

Watch Crackers! And Out of Their Minds! Don't be sad! *hugs* No matter what, we will always have the show. And fanfic =D

Date: 2011-10-19 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] charlie-bz.livejournal.com
I think I got through about 10 issues of the comics and my interest in them just went away. There was so much about them that didn't feel like Farscape. Farscape, to me, is Vivid, Larger than Life, Gross, Funny, Loud, Chaotic, Vivid, Vivid, and Vivid. None of this came through in the comics.

I think this situation just goes to show how precious collaboration is in a tv show. Writers, directors, set designers, costumers, actors...all that combined gives us the wonder of the shows. The comics just show how when there is only one person involved, things fall by the wayside.

I would imagine that the actors had a huge influence on how their characters were written. That influence is sadly lacking in the comics.

Date: 2011-10-20 07:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damnedscientist.livejournal.com
Nods sagely.

I think so much of what made FS (the show) great was that so many people were inputting creative ideas. This not only made it much more creative, it also put the dampers on bad ideas and out of character things emerging.

Date: 2011-10-20 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
I love this post! It goes along with the "more than the sum of its parts" feeling...and so much of Farscape's genius was due to retroactive continuity and making the most of unforeseen changes, and flying by the seat of their pants.

So many people had a part in it - you can't reduce the number to one and expect the same kind of magic (I'd feel the same way if it were Kemper in charge of the comics).

I love books and movies and comics but good serial television is hard to beat when it all comes together.

Date: 2011-10-20 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diarmi.livejournal.com
First of all - you have Avatar icons!!! Oh, I'm jealous... Aang and Momo, yay!

On the comics - I haven't check the preview for this one but yeah, Chiana characterization had no sense at all to me from the beginning. And especially when she run away to this guy who wanted to kidnap Deke? I read comics to know more or less what's going on since it's supposed to be canon but it's rather less and less to me. And Aeryn being into religion? Complete absurd for me. I'm not also very fond of stories where Aeryn or John become some kind of leaders in the future, it happens sometimes in future fics (for PKs or Earth interstellar forces, whatever). It can be well executed, yes and it happened it some really great fanfics but it makes me uneasy. I just can't see them in that context.

Date: 2011-10-20 12:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
First of all - you have Avatar icons!!! Oh, I'm jealous... Aang and Momo, yay!

Don't be jealous! I got them here: http://avatargraphics.livejournal.com/ =D

We have to make Avatar videos. We really, really do.

And especially when she run away to this guy who wanted to kidnap Deke?

She apparently can't help that because her Nebari brainwashing kicked in and she has no choice but to be with him (and sleep with him) because her biology predetermined that this is Who She Must Love and her love for D'Argo wasn't real, and argh. Seriously, Chiana would be throwing herself out an airlock before she gave into this! It'd be like John going along with the chip in his head, no torment, no conflict, no desperation, just "oh well, what can you do?"

Aeryn & the religion is something that's bothering me more the more I hear that it bothers other people; when that story was developing I was trying not to pay attention to the comics, so I haven't really thought about it. It does seem absurd. Where my head exploded in regards to Aeryn is her letting Grayza go free because "no child should be separated from its mother" - Grayza has raped, tortured, and killed countless people, and she shouldn't be put in jail or put to death, she should just be sent off alone with an innocent child who she can warp to her heart's content? I can't see Aeryn ever doing that. Feeling torn about it, feeling sympathy...but she would take and raise that child alongside her own before she left it with a woman like Grazya. That's an insult not only to the character and the readers but to all the people who have had abusive parents.

I'm not also very fond of stories where Aeryn or John become some kind of leaders in the future, it happens sometimes in future fics (for PKs or Earth interstellar forces, whatever). It can be well executed, yes and it happened it some really great fanfics but it makes me uneasy. I just can't see them in that context.

I completely agree. Stormdrain, over at GE, had a great list of his problems with the comic, and summed this up nicely (quoted with permission):

-Aeryn becomes supreme leader of the PKs although there are thousands, even millions in line ahead of her, she is a known enemy of the PKs, is permanently ineligible and is unqualified.

-Aeryn's husband is not an officer at all, is anti-PK, threatened to destroy the universe to engineer PK surrender in a war and is the most mistrusted man the PKs know of, but is Aeryn's more significant other present at all times and making the judgments for the fate of all PKs which Aeryn easily goes along with.

-Most PKs accept the above.

-Aeryn is most engaging when fired up but she is developed to being peaceful instead. Prior to being made supreme commander of PKs during war.

-John is most affecting as a vulnerable everyman and a peaceful scientist but he is developed into a kick arse unquestionable and powerful master of the universe instead.


Sorry for the long rambly reply - this gets me riled up LOL I should watch some Avatar. Are you looking forward to Korra?

Date: 2011-10-20 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diarmi.livejournal.com
Don't be jealous! I got them here: http://avatargraphics.livejournal.com/ =D

Oh, thank you for that link, I needed a happy icon for some time already :))) And happy Aang is one of the best things ever!

We have to make Avatar videos. We really, really do

YOU have to make Avatar videos :))) I was thinking for some time about it (though I don't have good quality source anyway, because of my Internet connection I download everything in the smallest rmvb files) but for me there's more in dialogues than in visuals. Or maybe I just need right inspiration :)

Are you looking forward to Korra?

Yes, I am! Definitely!! Everything about it looks all kind of awesome!!! :)))

That's an insult not only to the character and the readers but to all the people who have had abusive parents.

THIS. I mean - in general, no only in Grayza context. There is this thing I see so often on tv and other media - that for the child the best without a doubt is to be with the parents. As if they never met a kid who didn't fit this ideal of "I love my mommy and daddy no mater how much they hurt me". And yeah, sorry, that's my trigger.

Date: 2011-10-21 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nebari-rebel.livejournal.com
And happy Aang is one of the best things ever!

OMG YOUR ICON IS SO CUTE MY SMILE IS AS BIG AS THE MOON =D

If I can finish up one or two of the Farscape vids I have in progress I will try my hand at an Avatar one. I actually did start a Zuko one back in February, but then I had the laptop troubles and lost the file and never went back to it.

Have you seen this Avatar vid? The timing is amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVSJ668VcNY

THIS. I mean - in general, no only in Grayza context. There is this thing I see so often on tv and other media - that for the child the best without a doubt is to be with the parents. As if they never met a kid who didn't fit this ideal of "I love my mommy and daddy no mater how much they hurt me". And yeah, sorry, that's my trigger.

*big hugs*

Date: 2011-10-22 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diarmi.livejournal.com
Have you seen this Avatar vid? The timing is amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVSJ668VcNY"



Oh, it's music from "Lord of the Dance" and my favorite piece from it! (insert a big dose of love for extreme cheesiness this show is :)), in this fragment men dance in deliciously awful blue-purple with silver lining clothes *shudder*). Anyway - yeah, definitely cool timing! Thank you for the link!


If I can finish up one or two of the Farscape vids I have in progress I will try my hand at an Avatar one. I actually did start a Zuko one back in February, but then I had the laptop troubles and lost the file and never went back to it.


Farscape vids, Farscape vids!!! Waiting impatiently ;))) Good luck!!! (If I can help in any way - just say :))

Date: 2011-10-23 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] olegscape.livejournal.com
Saw the recaps of this issue elsewhere, what an epic fail indeed. I don’t know all details without looking at it, but apparently nothing happens. At. All. There is no resolution for Chiana, no stand off, no conflict, no change, no nothing. Apparently bounty hunter decides to give Deke back to JA. Which means it doesn’t only leave her being what they turned her into, but it also makes turning her into it have absolutely NO PURPOUSE, and completely POINTLESS.

I guess that’s something you can expect from somebody who resolves the years long plot of galaxy coming to the brink of devastation by everyone praying. If that's all it took, then why couldn’t that have been done when the invasion just started, saving billions of lives, destroying good characters, and reading this half a@@#$ attempt at a plot.
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